| Bro Blume, You said that "Dan.12 refers to 70 ad". "And
many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting
life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:2." It sounds
like you are making the same mistake of Hymanaeus and Philetus. "Who
concerning the truth have ERRED saying that the RESURRECTION is past already:"
2 Tim.2 18
Dan.12 does contain the resurrection, right? |
I believe that the resurrection is not past. I am still ironing a lot of the positioning of the scriptures out in my mind. And I am still open for change. But the resurrection is not past. With you I agree on that.
But lets address your thoughts. You say that because the resurrection is mentioned in the 12th chapter of Daniel, then everything mentioned in that chapter onward must be referring to the same timeframe in fulfillment.
However, Daniel 12:1-3 seems to end a discussion of a certain line of thought. And verse 4 begins another thought. Not everything in the same chapter is always speaking about the same timeframe in this chapter and others in the Bible.
Notice:
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.Then we read of an entirely different issue. Yes, its the same conversation of the one talking with Daniel. But he changes issues.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.He even changes VISIONS! Its like the one speaking says "Case closed! Now that I have mentioned the resurrection and many other issues, Daniel, you will not understand what all of this means. I am not to tell you." And then ANOTHER VISION occurs.
Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.I propose that the words after verse 3 are not at all in the same timeframe for fulfillment as the first three verses.
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
It is assumed by yourself that the text of the first three verses is indeed the same timeframe for fulfillment as the rest of the chapter, simply because they are in the same chapter. But verses 4 and onward sort of summarize an issue of concern, not necessarily including the first three verses.
So, Daniel 12 does contain the resurrection, but that does not mean everything in chapter 12 is speaking about that timeframe for resurrection.
The resurrection of the unjust and the just is after everything occurs from verses 4 onward, is it not? You cannot take the entire chapter chronologically. There is a breakpoint at the end of the third verse. The resurrection of the just and unjust occurs in our future. None will be "left behind" in that resurrection.
It falls in line with Christ's thoughts:
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,...at the same time!
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Hope that helps clarify my position!
DISCLAIMER: I may, of course, be totally wrong in all of this.
But this is how I sort it out presently. May the Lord clarify the true meaning
of His word of prophecy to all of us!